This background of the Dobbin family is intended for those of
you who are either direct Dobbins, or have found Dobbin blood in your background
and require this sort of background knowledge in order to work out where you
should be searching for your own origins. Parts of this are definitely intended
as a rough guide only.........particularly those regarding specific spellings
and the locations of those spellings! Also, I must stress that a lot of this
information has merely been regurgitated from other sources......I’m no
historian! Generally speaking, all the different information you'll find here
and there on the internet has little pieces of truth strewn throughout. When you
see the whole story tied together, you'll understand what I mean.
This story begins with the nephew of King Rollo of Norway. I’m pretty sure I
know what his surname was, but I don’t want to put into the public arena just
yet because I have no actual way of checking whether it is correct or not at
this time. This guy (well, his offspring, considering the generation gap) were
amongst the Norsemen who went south and "obtained" (that's a story that you can
read about elsewhere) a rather large part of coastal France which became
Normandy. A couple of generations later, the offspring of these (what we now
call) Normans came over to England with William the Conqueror in 1066 (we all
know that story too). This is where the story goes two ways. One theory is that
all of the derivatives of Dobbin came from the offspring of a Norman Knight (and
family) who settled in St Aubin’s on Jersey- one of England’s channel islands,
and therefore took the name D’Aubin- french for “from Aubin”- and then continued
on throughout the region creating lots of little Dobbins’ here there and
everywhere. This is where I disagree. For this train of thought to be correct,
there would have to be a record of what the name was before all this took
place…..which there isn’t. But more on this later. All the names of the knights
who came over to England during the invasion are known; and, rather curiously,
there’s a knight by the name of D’Aubenon, D’Aubigne and some others by the name
of D’Aubigny. Coincidence? Not a chance!! The D’Aubenon, D’Aubigne and D’Aubigny
families all originate from Aubin in Normandy (hence the name), and, back in
Normandy are actually the same family! My personal belief is that the D’Aubenon
spelling is actually an incorrect pronunciation or some sort of spelling error,
because the name doesn’t pop up often at all. D’Aubigny/D’Aubigne however, is
extremely prominent, with one of the D’Aubigny daughters marrying into William
the Conqueror’s family! I firmly believe that the town of St Aubin’s on Jersey
was named after the D’Aubigny family- as opposed to the D’Aubin family being
named after the town on Jersey.
But anyway, back to the story. After Jersey, one D’Aubin (D’Aubigny/D’Aubigne!
Remember- surnames were recorded/written however they sounded!), named Reginald,
was part of the Norman conquest of South Eastern Ireland in the late 1100’s.
This has been well documented elsewhere. The Dobbyn’s of Waterford/Kilkenny are
descendants of this man. A few years later, a Norman Knight travelling with Hugh
DeLacy invaded Northern Ireland at Carrickfergus. Guess what? His name was
Reginald D’Aubin too. The Dobbin’s of Antrim are descendants of this man. Are
the two Reg’s the same guy? I believe so. But I also believe that whether they
are or not is fairly irrelevant. Surely we can all think of people we know who
are first cousins with the same name! It’s actually a (sporadic) tradition
within my own family, but to prevent total confusion you’ll find that when this
sort of thing occurs (particularly in Irish families) the child will often have
the mother’s maiden name as a middle name. It’s also not far from Waterford to
Carrickfergus either (by my standards at least), and the dates certainly don’t
clash!
By the way, before I continue, the question has (very recently) been raised in
regards to the ability of one man (Reginald D’Aubin) being “competent” enough as
a breeder to be able to account for the amount of Dobbin/Dobbyn etc. Firstly let
me just say that I have never been under the impression that we are
large/numerous family/surname- there seems to only be a few thousand worldwide
to this day! Secondly, at the turn of the 12th century there was literally no
more than a handful of D’Aubins throughout the British Isles. I also must point
out that I am not actually claiming that all Dobbin/Dobbyn’s etc have spawned
from the same man- just the Irish ones. Another thing which must be consider is
this- during medieval times (and today I guess), the amount of land,
possessions, buildings etc directly reflected upon your status within society.
So if you were just “some guy” from the town of St Aubins on Jersey who managed
to hold a sword without getting killed, then chances are you just went back to
work in the fields after the blood letting ceased right? Not so for old Reggie!!
The Reginald who landed with Strongbow in Waterford ended up having his own
tower! After that, the Reginald who ended up in Carrickfergus (whether it be the
same man or not) ended up having not only his own tower, but was given all the
lands within the castle’s outer (or town) walls, with his tower being the gate
house of the outer wall. Incidently, this structure remained within the family
in one form or another up until a couple of decades ago- and still stands as the
Dobbins Inn Hotel, Carrickfergus. This man sounds more like the descendant of
kings…….rather than a pauper with a mail shirt and a sword. As far as I am
concerned this all rules out the possibility of the D’Aubin origins laying in St
Aubin’s on Jersey. But you need to make up your own minds!
Something of enormous importance to our origins is our coat of arms, or perhaps
the different types. While the family was still in Normandy the coat of arms was
all dark blue with three silver diamonds stacked on top of each other. However,
once the family came to England (then Jersey) the coat of arms changed to the
more commonly known arms displaying the red curved middle (I’m unfamiliar with
the terminology) over a black and white chequered background. Over the top of
the red section rests five stars and a crescent moon. Why did the change come
about? Simple really- the coat of arms didn’t change because of the change of
country, it changed during the same time the Knights Templar were founded.
Anybody who has researched the Knights Templar at all will tell you that the red
and white colouration is always a good indication and that the black and white
chequers are an absolute certainty of your Templar connections. As much as I am
not the slightest bit proud of this connection-
a) you must go where the evidence takes you,
b) history can’t be changed,
c) it adds more weight to the “D’Aubigny versus St Aubin’s” argument- ie: you
can’t be Knights Templar if you’re just an average knight with a sword from some
little town on Jersey! You have to be connected.
Generally speaking, there tends to be a huge gap of information between the 12th
and 17th centuries for all families in the “UK” (I use the term UK loosely), not
just Dobbins and their derivatives. As a result of the English (and various
other monarchies throughout Europe at the same time) destroying pretty much all
family records other than direct royal lineage throughout their entire empire
during the 16th and 17th centuries (you have the destruction by fire of a
tremendous amount of Irish written history at a time when this written history
was under English control, and the confiscation of Scottish written history by
the English who transported these Scottish records back to England via sea
instead of land- only to have these boats “mysteriously” sink! All of this
documented is elsewhere.), we must rely on coats of arms for directions more
than we would like.
Examples:
a) The D’Aubins of Jersey have the Templar coat of arms mentioned above.
b) The Dobbyn’s of County Waterford/County Kilkenny descend from a D’Aubin who
hailed from Jersey. However, these Dobbyn’s of the south created there own coat
of arms- perhaps to cement the idea that they were now Irish as opposed to being
Norse? The Normans well and truly lost their political grip on the South of
Ireland long before they lost it on the North. Perhaps they didn’t want to be
Templars. (I don’t blame them……..) Their arms became three golden harps on a
light blue background……I no longer remember the significance of these arms, but
it runs something like the light blue symbolising their “Irishness”, with the
golden harps referring to their loyalty to Ireland. Think twice before quoting
me on it though!!
c) The Dobbin’s of County Antrim have the Templar coat of arms
d) The Dobbin’s of County Armagh (who came from County Antrim via County Down)
have the Templar coat of arms. (the line I actually hail from)
e) The Dobbin’s of Cappagh (who seem to have had some sort of affiliation with
the Armagh branch at one time- documented in Burke’s Gentry) created their own
arms- a light blue shield with a diagonal yellow stripe and three yellow
circles. Again- the blue and yellow theme…..
f) To the best of my knowledge all English and Scottish Dobbin’s (and
derivatives) have the Templar coat of arms.
g) Regardless of the coat of arms itself, to my knowledge all derivatives of
Dobbin have the same motto assigned to their arms- Re E Merito (this through
merit). Coincidence??? Not likely.
Interestingly, any and all changes to D’Aubin coat of arms’ seem to coincide
with the formation and the later disbanding of the Knights Templar. With the
Pope ordering the destruction of the Knights Templar, and with the French being
the first to carry it out, perhaps this is when the Southern Irish D’Aubin’s
switched arms? The dates do coincide. However, many of the Templars who were not
killed fled to either English lands, or to the German provinces located just
north of the French border, as England and Germany proved extremely reluctant in
carrying out the purge in their own countries (parts of Germany never even
bothered). When the English finally did carry out the purge, the Templars of
England (the remnants of the French and Spanish Templars amongst them) fled to
guess where?? The western coast of Scotland! Mostly the old kingdom of Dalriada
which is located on the North-western tip of Scotland, but generally speaking,
across the length of the Scottish coastline. This is how they were able to
travel freely to the USA during the 13th and 14th centuries. By the way, if you
think Columbus was the first white guy to set foot in North America…..then you
really need to get out more! There is evidence which backs up the story that it
was an army of Knights Templar who showed up midway through the battle of
Bannockburn, Scotland, fought between King Edward’s English army, and Robert
(the Bruce) the Second’s army. The story goes that the Scottish army was
severely outnumbered and basically getting their butt kicked when suddenly an
“anonymous” army on horseback arrived from the north, causing the English army
to run for their lives!! They didn’t tell the story that way in the movie
“Braveheart” did they?? Haha. I realise that I may seem to have wandered away
from D’Aubin history a little here, but a strong Templar presence in the region
of western Scotland (remember, you can easily see Scotland from County Antrim,
Ulster) might give you enough confidence to maintain your Templar coat of arms
in a time when the entire Catholic world is bent on your destruction!
WARNING: the claim that the surname Dobbin (plus derivatives) comes from the old
English term meaning “son of Robert” originated from COMMERCIAL COAT OF ARMS
MANUFACTURERS who couldn’t be bothered doing any real research! Please
disregard! This also means that the claim that the Scottish Dobbin’s were a sept
of the Robertson clan is also dubious- but I wouldn’t rule it out. Although, the
Robertson’s are of Gaelic origin, and I find it highly unlikely that they would
have tolerated a subservient Norse family within their ranks. Also, members of
today’s Robertson clan make NO claim that Dobbin (or derivatives) are in ANY way
affiliated with themselves. My “personal belief” is that the Scottish Dobbin’s
probably came over from the north of Ireland, or possibly direct from England;
especially when you consider that the Scottish Dobbin families were by far the
last to “pop up on the radar”.
I hope that you are seeing my overall point that I am trying to make
here………..regardless of your spelling, or where you think your original ancestors
came from-
WE ARE ALL RELATED!!!!!!! Not in an inbred, seven fingered sort of way
either……..
So if your name is Dobbin/Dobbyn/Dobbins/Dobyns/Daubin/D’Aubin etc or something
remarkably similar ie Tobin, you may now have enough info to make up your own
mind as to where we came from. Whether you believe me or not is up to you. I’m
confident however that if anybody else does the same amount of research as me as
to our origins you’ll come to similar (if not identical) conclusions as me. On a
personal level however, I come from one of those sorts of families who happen to
pass things down from generation to generation……so I have extra confidence in my
conclusions on a personal level. I cannot stress enough that we are ALL related
in the very beginning at least.
As to where the various spellings come from however is where the stereotyping
reluctantly comes into play. PLEASE don’t hold it against me if I promote the
wrong idea here!! GENERALLY SPEAKING it goes something like this…….
1) D’Aubin is extremely rare outside of France these days, although it can be
found in Canada, particularly within the predominantly French regions of the
country. It’s these poor souls who will have the most difficulty tracing their
roots.
2) Daubin can be found everywhere, but is by far the rarest variety. I have
found through personal experience that any variation of the surname ends up
sounding like Daubin/Darbin when pronounced by the Ulster Irish…….
3) Dobbin is predominately found in Northern Ireland, but is also found in very
large numbers in England. More often than not you’ll find that English people
with this spelling can trace their origins back to Northern Ireland.
4) Dobbyn is found predominately in the South of Ireland. It would “appear” that
the surname Tobin may (I stress may!!) have the same origins as the Southern
Irish D’Aubin’s.
5) If your name has an “S” on the end, you’ll usually find that your name
“evolved” (I hate that word) within England itself. This stereotypically applies
to those of you whose ancestors were the D’Aubin’s who settled in England and
remained in England the entire time. These usually include the names Dobyns
(found over near the Welsh border) and Dobbins (found in the Middlesex region)
Working on the premise that whilstever (is whilstever a word?) there is more
than one person left alive on the face of this earth the potential for an
argument exists, clearly there are probably scores of people who would love to
argue every single point that I have raised so far (and I’m yet to talk about
the Dobbin political beliefs yet!), but I can live with that. In fact, I’d like
to take the time to point out right now that if there is anything that any of
you think I should be aware of- please let me know!!!!!!!! Being labelled a
moron because of my stupidity is something I can live with (we’re all entitled
to our own opinions), but if you know some facts that I don’t………
Ah yes……politics! You may be thinking “What on Earth do politics have to do with
genealogy???” Well, consider this- if you have an ancestor whose name is Thomas
Dobbin for example….and you find two Thomas Dobbin’s who are born in the same
year without any indication as to which county in Ireland they’re from…..then
you could take the gamble and look at whether the wife’s name was Anglo or
Gaelic. Eg: Both Thomas Dobbin’s are listed as being born in Ireland, but
there’s no more info!! One Thomas married a Kelleher (Gaelic name), the other
married a Buckingham (an Anglo name). If you knew for certain that your “Dobbin
background” was protestant not catholic……well, if you were a hound you’d follow
your nose right?? These are the things that help you research. Ordinarily,
family research wouldn’t demand that you consider such issues, but when your
surname is Norman, you’ll never get anywhere if you don’t consider political
climate!!!
You’ll find that the Dobbyn’s of the south of Ireland have had their political
background document fairly well, but basically as far as Irish D’Aubin’s are
concerned it would seem that it was they who became “more Irish than the Irish
themselves” the earliest, with other notable families of the region like the
FitzGeralds. These southern D’Aubin’s became staunch anti-English, and
eventually suffered from the consequences……
http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlkik/history/dobbin.html
http://www.geocities.com/dobbynp/
Unfortunately no-one seems to know much at all about the Scottish Dobbins,
probably because the Scottish were most affected by the deliberate destruction
of records at the hands of the English. However, their history probably ties in
with the Ulster D’Aubin’s. You’ll see my theory about this when I mention the
Northern Irish D’Aubin’s.
For anybody who suspects that their origins may lay somewhere within England
herself, I strongly urge you to go to:
http://www.myoutbox.net/dobhome.htm
This site actually has a black and white picture of the Templar coat of arms for
our family shown in the preface section, although it lacks the crescent moon
usually associated with the Ulster version. This crescent is situated between
the upper two stars, and is laying down. According to this website, it would
appear that the English D’Aubin’s (or at least this branch) also had some issues
with loyalty to Mother England.
If you are an American Dobbin/D’Aubin (and there are plenty!!) you really MUST
ascertain which part of the world your actual immigrant ancestor came from. Most
of you people are going to have a lot of trouble tracing your lines, due to the
US being colonised a fair while ago. Sorry!
The situation with the Northern Irish Dobbin/D’Aubin’s is where things get very
messy. Unfortunately due to the destruction of records we’ll probably never have
any clear indication of who’s who etc. Before the plantation of Ulster
throughout the 1600’s it seems clear that all these Dobbin’s are descendants of
old Reggie himself, but there are many stories which make their beliefs and
allegiances a little fuzzy. There are stories of Dobbin’s from the castle at
Carrickfergus taking part in various “ethnic cleansing” activities (ie killing
the Irish), but then there’s also a lot of solid evidence documenting
allegiances and affiliations with the Ulster (Gaelic) Kings- the O’Neill’s.
Written evidence like marriage certificates between Dobbin’s and O’Neill’s
during times when there was a fair amount of English/Gaelic fighting going on.
Stories of Dobbin’s of Ulster fighting in tartan and speaking Irish instead of
Norman French or (later) English. But on the other hand, the sheer wall of
evidence regarding the role of Dobbin’s within the castle at Carrickfergus- such
as Dobbin’s being appointed Constables of the Castle, Mayors of the town,
Sheriffs, Customs controllers etc, the list goes on. When you consider that the
castle at Carrickfergus was never conquered again after Hugh DeLacy took it
around 1200ad (at which old Reg was present), then clearly there are a whole
bunch of Dobbin’s who never let go of their ties with England.
After the plantation of Ulster took place during the 1600’s, records become a
clearer to find in regards to Ulster Dobbin’s. There are Dobbin’s showing up in
County Down and County Armagh (all the same family, founded by two brothers, one
of which married a Stewart from Antrim, who are descended from King Robert the
First of Scotland), all bearing the Templar arms, but not listed on the list of
settlers planted in Ulster by the English. There is one Dobbin on the list of
settlers, but apparently he settled in either County Donegal or Derry- I don’t
remember which, but it was somewhere over in the North West. I also don’t
remember his name or where he came from. So if you happen to be able to trace
your ancestry back to Donegal or Derry, but no further than the 1600’s…..then
perhaps he’s your man! If you can trace your ancestor back to County Armagh or
County Down, then you’re almost certainly related to myself and I have quite a
detailed list of who is in our line. As far as the Armagh and Down Dobbin’s are
concerned, it would appear that we were relocated during the plantation from
Carrickfergus, although, in all honesty, the story handed down through my family
is that we relocated to the north from Kilkenny. I must stress that I have no
evidence to support this. You will find that Dobbin’s from Armagh and Down, like
their Antrim cousins, also sat on both sides of the fence. There are plenty of
Dobbin’s who pledged allegiance in writing to the Crown of England, but plenty
who didn’t. There are Dobbin’s who joined the Orange Order, and others who
didn’t. There actually one case where a Dobbin murdered a member of the Orange
Order……it’s all so confusing! There are also Dobbin’s who signed their name to
the Repeal Movement too.
If there actually were Dobbin’s livings as “septs” to the Robertson clan in
Scotland, then my guess would be that they were “Gaelic” Dobbin’s from the North
of Ireland who migrated- remember, you can see Scotland from Ulster…..and they
certainly would’ve fit in with Scottish culture. But of course, this purely
speculation…….
We are all related!! We all hail from the Norwegian royal family, with strong
connections to the French and English thrones, and those of us who have the
Antrim Stewart blood are also connected to the Scottish, French (again),
Dalriada, Irish- and many more- thrones…..all the way back to Noah. But that’s
another story.
I hope I have been of some help to at least some of you!!!
Michael Dobbin
Sydney, Australia.
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